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A few fixtures and results gleaned from the local press. Pre-Canaries era.

21st Sep 1901 Hitchin 0 Millwall Res 1
28th Sep 1901 Clapton Orient 4 Hitchin 3 Ref stopped game 5 mins from time (darkness)
12th Oct 1901 Luton Reserves 10 Hitchin 1
26th Oct 1901 Queens Park 9 Hitchin 0
16th Nov 1901 Hitchin ? St Albans ?
28th Dec 1901 St Albans Amateurs 1 Hitchin 3
18th Mar 1902 Hitchin 0 St Albans Amateurs 0
29th Mar 1902 Clapton Orient 3 Hitchin 1
20th Sep 1902 Hitchin 0 Brentford 2
10th Jan 1903 Luton Res 1 (Cooper o.g) Hitchin Town 1 (Cannon)
12th Sep 1903 Hitchin 0 Aylesbury United 0
21st Nov 1903 Aylesbury United ? Hitchin ?
5th Dec 1903 Brighton ? Hitchin ?
12th Dec 1903 Chesham Generals ? Hitchin ?
19th Dec 1903 Hitchin ? Chesham Generals ?
26th Dec 1903 New Brompton ? Hitchin ?
28th Dec 1903 Hitchin ? Luton Reserves ?
13th Feb 1904 Chesham Generals 2 Hitchin 3
19th Mar 1904 Luton Res 4 Hitchin 1
27th Apr 1904 Hitchin 3 Grays United 0
17th Sep 1904 Hitchin ? Aylesbury United ?
15th Oct 1904 Woolwich Arsenal 4 Hitchin 0
22nd Oct 1904 Hitchin ? Hastings ?
27th Dec 1904 Hitchin 0 Maidstone United 1
18th Feb 1905 Aylesbury United 0 Hitchin 1
4th Mar 1905 Southern United 5 Hitchin 2 (played at Nunhead)
11th Mar 1905 Hitchin 3 Eastbourne 0
25th Mar 1905 Hastings & St Leonards ? Hitchin ?
8th Apr 1905 Eastbourne Old Town ? Hitchin ?
16th Sep 1905 Hitchin 2 Hastings 1
14th Oct 1905 Chelsea Reserves 2 Hitchin 3 (Played at 'Stamford Bridge Grounds, Fulham')
2nd Dec 1905 Hitchin 6 Leyton 0
23rd Dec 1905 Maidstone United 7 Hitchin 1
6th Jan 1906 Hitchin 1 Woolwich Arsenal Reserves 3
20th Jan 1906 Woolwich Arsenal Res 2 Hitchin 0
10th Mar 1906 Hitchin 6 Eastbourne 1
24th Mar 1906 Hitchin 3 Grays 1
31st Mar 1906 Hitchin 1 Maidstone United 2
7th Apr 1906 Hastings 6 Hitchin 0
13th Apr 1906 Luton Reserves 1 (A. Eling) Hitchin 1 (Barker)
21st Apr 1906 Eastbourne 3 Hitchin 3
27th Oct 1906 Maidstone 1 Hitchin 1
24th Nov 1906 Luton Reserves 5 Hitchin Town 2
18th Jan 1907 Norwich Reserves ? Hitchin Town ?
23rd Mar 1907 Hitchin 4 Brighton & Hove Albion 1
1st Apr 1907 Hitchin 2 Woolwich Arsenal Reserves 3
7th Sep 1907 Hitchin ? Watford ?
14th Sep 1907 Chelsea ? Hitchin ?
28th Sep 1907 Watford ? Hitchin ?
12th Oct 1907 Hitchin ? Chelsea ?
26th Oct 1907 Hitchin ? Maidstone ?
2nd Nov 1907 Hitchin 2 Fulham 1
9th Nov 1907 Tottenham Hotspurs ? Hitchin ?
23rd Nov 1907 Luton Reserves 10 Hitchin 2
30th Nov 1907 Hitchin 1 QPR Reserves 2
7th Dec 1907 Southend ? Hitchin ?
14th Dec 1907 Hitchin 0 Clapton Orient 6
21st Dec 1907 Croydon Common 1 Hitchin 3 (Abandoned. Bad light)
28th Dec 1907 Hitchin 1 Woolwich Arsenal 6
4th Jan 1908 Hitchin 1 Tunbridge Wells Rovers 4
18th Jan 1908 Norwich City 7 Hitchin 1
28th Jan 1908 Hitchin 1 Woolwich Arsenal Reserves 6
1st Feb 1908 Clapton Orient 3 (Caldwell, Shelley,Leigh) Hitchin 0
8th Feb 1908 Hitchin ? Southend ?
15th Feb 1908 Woolwich Arsenal ? Hitchin ?
26th Feb 1908 Croydon Common 12 Hitchin 0 (at Selhurst)
29th Feb 1908 Fulham ? Hitchin ?
7th Mar 1908 Hitchin 0 Tottenham Hotspur Reserves 2
14th Mar 1908 Queens Park Rangers ? Hitchin ?
21st Mar 1908 Sittingbourne ? Hitchin ?
28th Mar 1908 Maidstone United 5 Hitchin 1
1st Apr 1908 Hitchin 2 (King, Barker) Hastings & St Leonards 1
4th Apr 1908 Hitchin 1 (French) Luton Reserves 2 (Eling, Benham)
8th Apr 1908 Hitchin 2 Hastings & St Leonards 1
11th Apr 1908 West Ham United ? Hitchin ?
18th Apr 1908 Hitchin ? West Ham ?
21st Apr 1908 Tunbridge Wells Rangers ? Hitchin ?
25th Apr 1908 Hitchin 0 Norwich City 3 'the last match of a disastrous season'
29th Apr 1908 Hastings & St Leonards 10 Hitchin 2
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Fascinating stuff. Does this mean that Hitchin has a lifetime winning record against Fulham?

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The Hitchin Football Club has been successful in obtaining admission to what was known last season as the London League, the scope of which has now been considerably widened and which, it is expected, will in future be known as the Home Counties League, and will embrace, among others, the undermentioned clubs:
Tottenham Hotspur Reserves, Millwall Reserves, Queeen's Park Rangers Reserves, West Ham, Grays United, Chesham Town, Chesham Generals, St Albans, and Luton Reserves.

Hertfordshire Advertiser Saturday 22nd June 1901

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THE SOUTH EASTERN LEAGUE
The following extract from Saturday's 'Football Star' may be of interest:-
Of new leagues which have been established since the close of last season, perhaps one of the most important is the South Eastern, which seems to have caused more than ordinary trouble at Chancery Lane.
Since the Southern League was established the FA have devoted considerable attention to the oversight of various leagues, and the circular issued last season proved that the parent body have realised that leagues have become serious rivals of the cup competitions of the local associations.
League people don't require to be told that nowadays clubs which mean to be anything dare not depend solely on cup ties and friendlies. Moreover, existing organisations do not supply all the needs which certain clubs feel requisite for their welfare, hence the reason for establishing new bodies. The South Eastern League comes under this head.
It is comprised of two distinct classes of clubs:-

1. London clubs: Millwall, Queens Park Rangers, Tottenham Hotspur, West Ham United, and Clapton Orient.

2. County clubs: Chesham Generals, Chesham Town, Grays United, Hitchin, Luton, and St Albans.

The first four London clubs are the Reserves of the strong sides which compete in the S.L and the W.L. They are debarred from the local cup ties, being professionals. London senior amateur clubs don't relish being defeated by Reserves, as undoubtedly most of them would be, and therefore decline to meet them; the S. L. don't admit the Reserves of their Division I to membership in Division II; the London League Division I supplies only half a season's programme, and so a new body was necessary as far as they were concerned.
The county contingent find fairly strong opponents remarkably scarce in their respective districts. Perhaps a bigger drawback is the great difficulties they encounter in getting across country in such counties as Berks, Bucks, Herts, and Beds. Two or three changes of train are often necessary, occasionally to other companies' lines, and the delays at the various junctions are irritating, of long duration, and, in the end, expensive, especially to amateur teams, who can seldom afford to give the whole of Saturday. They say they find it a saving in every way to come up to London, and they are desirous of meeting in a serious competition the strong Reserve teams of the first class professional clubs.

After some trouble about the officials of the new body, the F. A. sanctioned the South Eastern League. A first list of fifty referees has been drawn up, and all subsequent applicants must be recommended by two clubs in the league.

Herts Advertiser Saturday 21st September 1901

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I have updated the South Eastern League list at the top of the thread.
Some other early results and fixtures:
24th Feb 1866 Hitchin FC 2 (Pardoe, Conder) Mr Elphinstones XI 1 (Elphinstone)
17th Mar 1866 Hitchin 1 (F. Lucas) Mr Lucas's Team 0
1st Dec 1866 Hitchin 0 Wanderers 5
9th Mar 1867 Hitchin 0 Old Harrovians 3 (Hunt, L. Ogden 2)
4th Nov 1867 Hitchin FC v Cambridge Etonians (Fixture announced. No report found)
30th Nov 1867 Hitchin team practice game
4th Dec 1867 Hitchin FC v Wanderers (Postponed?)
20th Feb 1868 Hitchin 0 v Wanderers 2 (C. W. Alcock, H. Emanuel)
26th Nov 1868 Hitchin 1 (W. Hill) Wanderers 1 (C. W .Alcock)
26th Dec 1868 Welwyn 0 Hitchin 2 (Parker, Lucas)
13th Mar 1869 Hitchin 0 Clapham Rovers 0
27th Mar 1869 Hitchin 2 (Tuck, Hill) Welwyn 0
6th Nov 1869 Clapham Rovers 4 (E. C. Leggatt, A. Nash, A. Thompson 2) Hitchin 0
5th Feb 1870 Hitchin 2 (W.T.Lucas, W.Hill) Hornsey 1 (A.Bird)
22nd Oct 1870 Hitchin 0 C.C.C. 1 (H.Fanshawe)
18th Nov 1871 Hitchin 0 St Alban's Pilgrims 0
23rd Nov 1872 Hitchin 1 (A. Bailey) St Alban's Pilgrims 1 (Lassage or Lapage)
4th Jan 1873 St Alban's Pilgrims 0 Hitchin 1 (Scorer unknown. '...the wind luckily aided (Hitchin) in one instance')
8th Nov 1873 Hitchin 0 Cambridge 0
29th Nov 1873 Hitchin 2 (T. C. Mainwaring, A. Bailey) St Albans 0
13th Dec 1873 Hitchin 0 Britannia (Bedford) 0 (Bedfordshire Times reported it as a draw. Hitchin's captain claims the ref allowed a disputed Hitchin goal.1-0.)
3rd Jan 1874 St Alban's Pilgrims 1 (Lipscombe) Hitchin 0
28th Feb 1874 Britannia (Bedford) 0 Hitchin 0
14th Nov 1874 Hitchin 0 v Maidenhead 1 (Nicholls) FA Cup 1 (played at neutral ground, Lillie Bridge)
26th Nov 1874 Peterborough ? Hitchin ? (Press report only mentions broken bones/teeth suffered by home players)
13th Nov 1875 Clapham Rovers v Hitchin (at the Oval)
26th Jan 1876 Hitchin v Hertford (Hertford failed to appear)
29th Nov 1879 Royston 1 (O.H. Titchmarsh) Hitchin 0
10th Jan 1880 Hitchin 2 St Neots 2
21st Feb 1880 St Neots 7 Hitchin 0
11th Mar 1880 Hitchin 0 Baldock 0
18th Mar 1880 Hitchin 2 Royston 0
30th Oct 1880 Hitchin 2 St Neots 2
6th Nov 1880 Hitchin 3 Baldock 0
20th Nov 1880 Hitchin 2 (R. H. Baker, C. Page) Royston 0
8th Jan 1881 Hitchin 4 Luton Rovers 0
22nd Oct 1881 Hitchin 3 St Neots 0
29th Oct 1881 Hitchin 1 Luton Rovers 0
31st Dec 1881 St Neots 2 Hitchin 0
11th Feb 1882 Hitchin 2 Baldock 0
18th Mar 1882 Hitchin 2 St Albans 0
26th Mar 1882 St Albans 3 Hitchin 2
25th Nov 1882 Biggleswade 0 Hitchin 1
29th Nov 1884 Hitchin 3 Hitchin Rangers 1
3rd Jan 1885 Luton Wanderers 1 Hitchin 1
31st Jan 1885 Hitchin 5 Luton Excelsior 0
28th Feb 1885 St Albans v Hitchin
14th Mar 1885 St Neots 6 Hitchin 2
11th Apr 1885 Hitchin 3 Stevenage 3
18th Apr 1885 Hitchin beat St Albans
24th Oct 1885 Hitchin 5 (Bower 2, Woolf, Hughes, Gilham) St Albans 0
4th Dec 1885 Royston 4 Hitchin 2
4th Feb 1886 Hitchin 5 (H. Scott 2, F. Gilham, O. Pardoe, H. W. Perks) Royston 2 (Burrell, W. C. N. Woodham)
28th Jan 1888 Hitchin 1 Royston 0
3rd Mar 1888 Hertford Town 2 (L. McMullen, Sturt) Hitchin 4
22nd Sep 1888 Three Counties Asylum Arlesey 0 Hitchin 4
13th Oct 1888 Hitchin 4 Luton 0
27th Oct 1888 Hitchin 1 St Neots 1
8th Dec 1888 Hitchin 3 Royston 1
26th Dec 1888 Hitchin 3 (H. Amos 2, Bennett) Cambridge Swifts 0
23rd Feb 1889 Watford Rovers 6 Hitchin 0
8th Nov 1890 Hitchin 8 Hertford Excelsior 1
25th Feb 1893 Hitchin 3 West Herts Association 3
20th Jan 1894 Hitchin 3 (C. Hicks, W. Gudgeon o.g, B. Barford o.g) Luton Stanley 0
20th Oct 1894 Luton Res 5 Hitchin 1
10th Nov 1894 Hitchin 1 Peterborough Locomotive 5
15th Dec 1894 Hitchin 2 Luton Montrose 1
15th Dec 1894 Hitchin Blue Cross Temperance Brigade 3 Hitchin Reserves 0
4th Apr 1896 Hitchin 6 Hitchin Blue Cross Temperance Brigade 0
6th Apr 1896 Hitchin 4 Arquebus Club (South London League champions) 0
6th Feb 1897 Hitchin 1 A. J. H. Butler's X1 (Cambridge University) 1
20 Mar 1897 Hitchin 4 Bedford 0
8th Oct 1898 Hitchin 1 (Burbridge) QPR 1 (Evans)
21 Jan 1899 Hitchin ? Crouch End Vampires ?
2nd Sep 1900 Hitchin 3 Peterborough Loco 0
6th Apr 1901 Hitchin 1 Ilford Alliance 1
8th Apr 1901 Hitchin v Fulham Not played. Fulham players missed their train. £13 compensation received later.
25th Apr 1906 Hitchin 4 Luton 3 Reported as 'third annual fixture'
30th Mar 1907 Hitchin 4 London Caledonians 1 (Friendly)

Kettering Charity Cup
12th Nov 1892 Hitchin 2 Luton Montrose 2
26th Nov 1892 Luton Montrose 2 Hitchin 0 (Replay) Hitchin believed the ground was unfit for play!
18th Nov 1893 Bedford Town Swifts 1 Hitchin 3 (Played mostly in 'a blinding snowstorm')

Herts Challenge Cup
5th Feb 1887 Hitchin 3 Watford 5
13th Dec 1890 Hitchin 3 Hertford Excelsior 1 (First round match played in 'foggy and disagreeable weather')

Herts County Championship
Hitchin 2 (Ebden, Smith) Harpenden 3 (? o.g, L. Hawkins, G. Brandham)

Herts County Cup
18th Mar 1893 West Herts Association 2 (J. Munn, F. H. Tyson) Hitchin 1 (scorer not known)

Herts Senior League
16th Apr 1910 Hitchin 0 St Albans 3

Herts Senior Cup
Sat 26th Mar 1898 Final (at St Albans) Hitchin 4 Aldenham School 0 (Abandoned- snow storm)
Wed 30th Mar 1898 Final (at Hitchin) Hitchin 2 Aldenham 1
5th Nov 1904 Round 1 Walkern 0 Hitchin 4
14th Jan 1905 Round 2 Hitchin 3 Hitchin Union Jack 1
? Semi-Final Hoddesdon 1 Hitchin 2
18th Mar 1905 Hitchin 3 Victoria Works (Watford) 2 Final (Played at Welwyn)
17th Feb 1906 Ware 3 Hitchin 2
19th Feb 1910 Hitchin 3 Apsley 1 (S/F)
18th Feb 1911 Hitchin 3 St Albans 3 (S/F)

Herts Charity Cup
1901/2 Hitchin v Stevenage (Semi-Final)
1901/2 Hitchin 4 St Albans 2 (Final, played at Welwyn)
15th Mar 1902 Hitchin 2 Stevenage 1
13th Dec 1902 Cheshunt v Hitchin (Played at Watford)
2nd Dec 1905 St Albans Abbey 7 Hitchin 1
19th Jan 1907 Hitchin 1 St Albans Abbey 3

Herts County League
1901/2? Hitchin 1 Hitchin Blue Cross Brigade 1
11th Jan 1902 Welwyn 0 Hitchin 4
28th Mar 1902 Stevenage 0 Hitchin 5
31st Mar 1906 Stevenage 1 Hitchin 'A' 0
7th Dec 1907 Hitchin 'A' v Baldock
30th Nov 1907 Welwyn 14 Hitchin 'A' 0
2nd Oct 1909 Hitchin 10 Letchworth 1
19th Nov 1909 Hitchin 1 Hitchin Blue Cross 1
10th Mar 1910 Hitchin 4 Hitchin Blue Cross 2
2nd Apr 1910 Hitchin 8 Royston 0
1st Oct 1910 Hitchin 0 Hitchin Blue Cross 0
5th Nov 1910 Welwyn 1 Hitchin 0
10th Nov 1910 Hitchin 2 Hitchin Blue Cross 0
4th Feb 1911 Hitchin 4 Welwyn 2
4th Mar 1911 Hitchin 3 Baldock 0

Hinchinbrooke Cup
14th Jan 1899 Hitchin Blue Cross Brigade 2 Hitchin 0 (Replay)
23rd Dec 1899 Hitchin 2 Luton Star 0
27th Jan 1900 Irthlingborough 0 Hitchin 4 (at Huntingdon) Semi-Final
1901/2 Hitchin 3 Arlesey 0
1901/2 Hitchin v Biggleswade
1901/2 Hitchin 1 Irthlingborough 2 (Semi-Final)

FA Cup
10th Jan 1872 Royal Engineers 5 Hitchin 0 (FAC 2)
14th Nov 1874 Maidenhead 1 Hitchin 0 (FAC 1)
31st Oct 1903 Luton Town 2 (Turner, Storey) Hitchin 1 (W. J. Y. (Bill) Taylor)
2nd Nov 1905 Kettering 4 Hitchin 0 (FAC 2RQ Replay)
21st Sep 1907 Hitchin Town 3 Peterborough City 3 (FAC 1PR)

Biggleswade League
25th Apr 1903 Hitchin 2 Biggleswade 0
16th Oct 1909 Hitchin 1 Biggleswade 5
13th Nov 1909 Hitchin Town 1 Kempston Rovers 2
8th Jan 1910 Biggleswade 5 Hitchin 2

Spartan League
26th Feb 1910 Hitchin 4 Newportonians 1
2nd Apr 1910 Luton Clarence 5 Hitchin 1
9th Apr 1910 Hitchin 0 Newportonians 3
20th Apr 1910 Hitchin 2 Luton Clarence 1
10th Sep 1910 Hitchin 0 Tufnell Park 1
24th Sep 1910 Hitchin 2 Marlow 0
23rd Oct 1910 Hitchin 2 East Ham 3
26th Nov 1910 Hitchin 2 West Ham 3
10th Dec 1910 Hitchin 0 Chesham Generals 4
28th Jan 1911 Tufnell Park 13 Hitchin Reserves 0
8th Apr 1911 Newportonians 3 Hitchin 2
22nd Apr 1911 East Ham ? Hitchin 0

North Herts Hospital Cup
28th Jan 1911 Hitchin 5 Hitchin Grammar School OBs 1

North Herts Senior League
5th Nov 1910 Hitchin Reserves 0 Knebworth 3

Cambs Senior League
7th Apr 1910 Hitchin 3 Baldock 0

Friendly Match (Date?)
Hitchin 1 Luton Reserves 8
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Anthony, a massive thank you for your endeavours here. You've provided loads of statistical information that we never had, which I can add to the archives. Appreciate anything you can find. Great stuff!
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Just seconding Chris' comments here Anthony. A wonderful collection of results.

It would be great to expand upon the Hitchin FC section in the history on the Club website, so if you happen to have a spreadsheet of all Hitchin FC fixtures/results, that would be great to include. Alternatively Chris, you may have this, expanded following Anthony's research above.

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Errors!
I have amended the results of two Wanderers friendlies to read:

20th Feb 1868 Hitchin 0 v Wanderers 2 (C. W. Alcock, H. Emanuel)
26th Nov 1868 Hitchin 1 (W.Hill) Wanderers 1 (C. W. Alcock)

and added

1st Dec 1866 Hitchin 0 Wanderers 5 (Scorers unknown)

Some stats from Hitchin's South Eastern League record:

1901/2 P20 W5 L14 D1 F35 A59 Points 11 Position 9th
1902/3 P22 W3 L14 D5 F26 A63 Points 11 Position Last
1903/4 P24 W10 L9 D5 F39 A57 Points 25 Position 6th

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I have not prepared a spread sheet, as research is at an early stage, with lots of info still to be found. Should have enough for a chronological list within a few ............................ months??????
I have confirmed the Wanderers friendly games by reading Rob Cavallini's super publication 'The Wanderers F. C: Five times FA Cup winners' (available everywhere). A report in a Hastings newspaper that a Hitchin v Wanderers game occurred in 1871/2 appears to be false.

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CanaryHatter wrote:
Sun Jan 05, 2020 12:59 pm
Just seconding Chris' comments here Anthony. A wonderful collection of results.

It would be great to expand upon the Hitchin FC section in the history on the Club website, so if you happen to have a spreadsheet of all Hitchin FC fixtures/results, that would be great to include. Alternatively Chris, you may have this, expanded following Anthony's research above.
Hi Stew, that's exactly where it's at. I have an Excel spreadsheet of all known results from 1865-1911 which I'd like to get onto the website as soon as is convenient. Got this from Neil Jensen. Anthony's findings have been immensely valuable in helping to expand what I already had from Neil combined with what I had collected myself, but there are still a lot of gaps to fill!

Happy to share this no problems, would save Anthony having to reinvent the wheel!
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