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Taking everyone's comments into account.

Steve - yes of course you are right. The thing with the Social Distancing is...apart from the 2 metres, risk of spreading Covid-19 can be helped by people not going anywhere they doing need to (and I'm not going there!) and when they do go anywhere, try to minimise their movements at the place they are at. The world has been a tough place, but the one nice thing that has happened is not having life's buzzsaws and brain speeders thoughtlessly dashing about everywhere without any consideration of their impact on others. I hope these people will be more thoughtful when we strive to get back to the "new normal" (whatever that is).

Anthony - What you say is a whole challenge that all clubs will have to rise to and come up with solutions of how they need to operate. Because it ain't just going back to the way it was. The days of people piling out the pub/bar at 2:57pm and expecting to get into the ground at Top Field for kick off.....well it just won't happen. Social distancing to get in, social distancing during the game, social distancing to get out....all needs to be planned and executed. For the discussion pot, but will Clubs need to control crowd numbers by restricting attendance to home fans and then numbers attending the game, and then access to parts of the ground? It's a definite possibility methinks.

RST - Of course. I'm particularly looking forward to the visit to Wick Academy.

Cat Daisy - don't like it but you're absolutely right. It would seem to be the best way to go. So Peter, your original suggestion was eminently sensible!


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Well looking at the changing rooms including the refs this morning it’s going to be a problem for players and officials changing and showering keeping social distancing.

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At least the preliminary rounds of the cups are regionalised if they are able to go ahead. Assuming that is the FA are putting as much effort into helping the clubs who enter in late August as they are into their own day out on August 1st ;)

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The FA Cup will start at the round where the National League clubs enter I’ve read, if it starts at all!

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Maybe as its safe for premier league teams to play now they could do the preliminary rounds and we can enter in January?

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If you compare what we’ve been through to a wartime/crisis economy, then football will have to be regionalised at “non necessary” level. In other words, nonleague should be even more regionalised. This virus will change everything and it will set a precedent for similar situations, I can see lockdowns becoming part of everyday life. Therefore, if we add climate change into the mix, we may have a whole new set of behaviours. This could be the catalyst for huge social change.
I’ve saw a document a couple of years ago which proposes a different structure for English football, smaller leagues, regionalisation from league one onwards, drastic localisation throughout nonleague. I can see something similar being introduced in the aftermath of this crisis, but it will come at a cost such as the removal of semi pro status at many levels.

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Cat Daisy wrote:
Fri May 29, 2020 8:38 pm
:lol:

But seriously, bring localisation on - one way to save football from itself!
Was thinking about this........on one hand localised football would minimise travelling, but taking social distancing into account and assuming that this will still be necessary:

In order to be able to accommodate this, might clubs choose to restrict attendances, or might they be required to? Localised football would inevitably mean bigger attendances in normal circumstances, but if the "new normal" requires the need to socially distance within grounds, how will that work? :scratchchin:
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Let’s hope we get a vaccine soon then all the above hopefully won’t be needed !

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Steve wrote:
Fri Jun 05, 2020 6:49 pm
Let’s hope we get a vaccine soon then all the above hopefully won’t be needed !
Agree 110% Steve......but if we don't??
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ClubComms wrote:
Fri Jun 05, 2020 6:12 pm

Was thinking about this........on one hand localised football would minimise travelling, but taking social distancing into account and assuming that this will still be necessary:

In order to be able to accommodate this, might clubs choose to restrict attendances, or might they be required to? Localised football would inevitably mean bigger attendances in normal circumstances, but if the "new normal" requires the need to socially distance within grounds, how will that work? :scratchchin:
Hmm, for most clubs at Step 3 and below it might be easy in theory. The average ground capacity in this division is about 3000-3500 and the average gate is about 300-350 (so 10% capacity). Say for local derbies we assume 500? Once you've accounted for season ticket holders (100?), whatever is left is sold online and in advance up to a capacity of 500 - no sales on the day ever (even if capacity isn't reached).

Then you have to work out whether you can socially distance your maximum of 500 fans. Easy to do in seating areas - just cover the seats not to be used (or long term, remove them). FA will need to revisit all their ground grading diktats of course! Harder to do on the terraces and will mean an end to fans congregating en masse behind the goals. But do-able in theory - put little circles on the terrace to indicate where folks can and cannot stand. Ensure that there is social distancing in club shops, clubhouse, etc.

Will probably need security to stop people transgressing - either accidentally out of force of habit or because they are deliberately trying to flout the rules. Whether you insist folks wear masks, I don't know.

So in theory it is feasible in terms of numbers. And then do the maths about whether this approach covers the fixed costs. And then what is left for the variable costs - and the biggest of those is player wages. And as Neil has said often (and I have agreed), that is a bullet that will have to be bitten if clubs want to even think of keeping going.

Of course some clubs are below the 10% capacity so it's easier. But it will especially penalise a small handful of non-league clubs whose business model works on running at 75-90% capacity every home Saturday - although it might stop Dulwich throwing so much cash at so many second rate players!

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